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	<title>Comments on: Does SEO need to evolve</title>
	<link>http://www.e-gain.co.uk/blog/does-seo-need-to-evolve/2007/08/30/</link>
	<description>Not just another UK SEO blog but one with more about SEO, PPC and Affiliate Marketing</description>
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		<title>by: Its Official - Google doesn&#8217;t hate SEO&#8217;s - but we do have an image problem</title>
		<link>http://www.e-gain.co.uk/blog/does-seo-need-to-evolve/2007/08/30/#comment-23836</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 09:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.e-gain.co.uk/blog/does-seo-need-to-evolve/2007/08/30/#comment-23836</guid>
					<description>[...] Which as it turns out followed on quite nicely from yesterdays post regarding changing peoples perception of SEO - and growing up into a respected profession - not an easy job - but one I would say is necessary in the long term  Sphere: Related Content [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Which as it turns out followed on quite nicely from yesterdays post regarding changing peoples perception of SEO - and growing up into a respected profession - not an easy job - but one I would say is necessary in the long term  Sphere: Related Content [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Rob Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.e-gain.co.uk/blog/does-seo-need-to-evolve/2007/08/30/#comment-23834</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 07:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.e-gain.co.uk/blog/does-seo-need-to-evolve/2007/08/30/#comment-23834</guid>
					<description>Actually, as one of the participants in the argument at Joost's blog, I agree with your assessment. Frankly I wanted a bath after the affair. Problem is it just gets old being slammed by lies and linkbait.

I’ve been editing at Dmoz since ‘99. The only thing I know about corruption is that editors caught in shady business are summarily canned, after which they wander the net proclaiming innocence and pronouncing us corrupt. 
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As for the big $5000 extortion scam, that was as you'd guess just plain old link bait. Nobody on the planet considers a listing worth $5000 even if we charged. “Shoe” knew bloggers would circle the wagons, and despite Dmoz staff offering to can the editor if he’ll provide the email, he suddenly doesn’t see a need to have an extortionist brought to justice. Meanwhile page after page on google refers to his website. It worked.
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The project has a LOT of work to do to catch up to changes on the net, and we’re working on it. AOL just added staff and resources, and hopefully we’ll emerge a better product.
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Meanwhile the corruption thing is like the Proctor &#38; Gamble satanist connection… a popular urban legend that will never die.

Good luck on your crusade... and yes, simply being able to do something doesn't mean it should be done. Regards - rj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, as one of the participants in the argument at Joost&#8217;s blog, I agree with your assessment. Frankly I wanted a bath after the affair. Problem is it just gets old being slammed by lies and linkbait.</p>
<p>I’ve been editing at Dmoz since ‘99. The only thing I know about corruption is that editors caught in shady business are summarily canned, after which they wander the net proclaiming innocence and pronouncing us corrupt.<br />
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As for the big $5000 extortion scam, that was as you&#8217;d guess just plain old link bait. Nobody on the planet considers a listing worth $5000 even if we charged. “Shoe” knew bloggers would circle the wagons, and despite Dmoz staff offering to can the editor if he’ll provide the email, he suddenly doesn’t see a need to have an extortionist brought to justice. Meanwhile page after page on google refers to his website. It worked.<br />
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The project has a LOT of work to do to catch up to changes on the net, and we’re working on it. AOL just added staff and resources, and hopefully we’ll emerge a better product.<br />
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Meanwhile the corruption thing is like the Proctor &amp; Gamble satanist connection… a popular urban legend that will never die.</p>
<p>Good luck on your crusade&#8230; and yes, simply being able to do something doesn&#8217;t mean it should be done. Regards - rj
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		<title>by: Boris</title>
		<link>http://www.e-gain.co.uk/blog/does-seo-need-to-evolve/2007/08/30/#comment-23832</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 04:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.e-gain.co.uk/blog/does-seo-need-to-evolve/2007/08/30/#comment-23832</guid>
					<description>Hmmm.... Reminds me of something my mother often said, "Think before you speak"... Now, it's more like "think before you submit!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;. Reminds me of something my mother often said, &#8220;Think before you speak&#8221;&#8230; Now, it&#8217;s more like &#8220;think before you submit!&#8221;
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		<title>by: Peter Young</title>
		<link>http://www.e-gain.co.uk/blog/does-seo-need-to-evolve/2007/08/30/#comment-23831</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.e-gain.co.uk/blog/does-seo-need-to-evolve/2007/08/30/#comment-23831</guid>
					<description>That is to a certain degree my point. Most other professions would at some point get both sides of the story, with little or no personal retorts.

Unfortunately the power of the internet  means that once something is said, it is often too late too retract once submitted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is to a certain degree my point. Most other professions would at some point get both sides of the story, with little or no personal retorts.</p>
<p>Unfortunately the power of the internet  means that once something is said, it is often too late too retract once submitted.
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		<title>by: xixtas</title>
		<link>http://www.e-gain.co.uk/blog/does-seo-need-to-evolve/2007/08/30/#comment-23830</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 16:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.e-gain.co.uk/blog/does-seo-need-to-evolve/2007/08/30/#comment-23830</guid>
					<description>While you might believe that this sheds a bad light on dmoz I wonder if you have another suggestion for what the editors who work together at the ODP project should do when outright lies are spread about us willy nilly? Don't we have to fight back? The outright lies initially posted by shoemoney have spread across the web at an incredible rate in many languages and I have yet to see a single blogger retract their initial parroting of the post. 

To me, this is the shameful aspect of the whole situation. That so many within the SEO community would continue to perpetrate an outright lie and fabrication. A fabrication which has been debunked over and over again by many independent people with access inside dmoz. That not a single one of the hundreds of SEO bloggers who have repeated the story without any fact-checking whatsoever has issued a correction or update in their own words says more about the so called "ethics" of the SEO community than a thousand stupid arguments on a thousand blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While you might believe that this sheds a bad light on dmoz I wonder if you have another suggestion for what the editors who work together at the ODP project should do when outright lies are spread about us willy nilly? Don&#8217;t we have to fight back? The outright lies initially posted by shoemoney have spread across the web at an incredible rate in many languages and I have yet to see a single blogger retract their initial parroting of the post. </p>
<p>To me, this is the shameful aspect of the whole situation. That so many within the SEO community would continue to perpetrate an outright lie and fabrication. A fabrication which has been debunked over and over again by many independent people with access inside dmoz. That not a single one of the hundreds of SEO bloggers who have repeated the story without any fact-checking whatsoever has issued a correction or update in their own words says more about the so called &#8220;ethics&#8221; of the SEO community than a thousand stupid arguments on a thousand blogs.
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		<title>by: Peter Young</title>
		<link>http://www.e-gain.co.uk/blog/does-seo-need-to-evolve/2007/08/30/#comment-23829</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 04:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.e-gain.co.uk/blog/does-seo-need-to-evolve/2007/08/30/#comment-23829</guid>
					<description>Regarding whether the link may not offer 'value' to the reader - if someone reading the post was interested in our services - surely then it offers value to the reader - yes perhaps this is not going to apply to many readers but there will and have been some.

As regards whether this is professional. The post tackled the issue of whether we should be having public slanging matches at the possible detriment of the industry, something echoed to a degree by Matt Cutts recently

http://www.e-gain.co.uk/blog/its-official-google-doesnt-hate-seos-but-we-do-have-an-image-problem/2007/08/31/

I have to ask in response - how in the context of the post - is an anchor text to our services on our blog not proffesional? When I talk about being professional we talk about portraying a good public image to potential clients in particular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding whether the link may not offer &#8216;value&#8217; to the reader - if someone reading the post was interested in our services - surely then it offers value to the reader - yes perhaps this is not going to apply to many readers but there will and have been some.</p>
<p>As regards whether this is professional. The post tackled the issue of whether we should be having public slanging matches at the possible detriment of the industry, something echoed to a degree by Matt Cutts recently</p>
<p><a href='http://www.e-gain.co.uk/blog/its-official-google-doesnt-hate-seos-but-we-do-have-an-image-problem/2007/08/31/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.e-gain.co.uk/blog/its-official-google-doesnt-hate-seos-but-we-do-have-an-image-problem/2007/08/31/</a></p>
<p>I have to ask in response - how in the context of the post - is an anchor text to our services on our blog not proffesional? When I talk about being professional we talk about portraying a good public image to potential clients in particular.
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		<title>by: Alanis Morissette</title>
		<link>http://www.e-gain.co.uk/blog/does-seo-need-to-evolve/2007/08/30/#comment-23822</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.e-gain.co.uk/blog/does-seo-need-to-evolve/2007/08/30/#comment-23822</guid>
					<description>I find it ironic that you mention the need to "act professional at all times", yet in the same sentence (literally) you are trying to increase your link juice by linking the term "SEO and Online Marketing" to your business page. Is this acting professional? Does the link add value to the reader? Is anyone reading this specific blog post possibly interested in your SEO services? Possible, but doubtful. Not judging you; just noticing the irony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it ironic that you mention the need to &#8220;act professional at all times&#8221;, yet in the same sentence (literally) you are trying to increase your link juice by linking the term &#8220;SEO and Online Marketing&#8221; to your business page. Is this acting professional? Does the link add value to the reader? Is anyone reading this specific blog post possibly interested in your SEO services? Possible, but doubtful. Not judging you; just noticing the irony.
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